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    Calling all "M-97" Trench Gun Experts !.... I need some tech information !

    Alright guys,..... I'm working out a deal with a friend on a trade... But he's coming up a little short.. So he tells me he has a extremely early 1897 Trench gun barreled receiver... (project) That pre-dates WWI.... Here's what I know so far,... And my concerns.

    Okay,... I know the first 1897 Winchester "Trench Guns" showed up during the "The Philippine-American War".... But there are very few examples.

    This Barreled receiver has a rigidly mounted 21-1/2" Cyl. Bore barrel, The Serial number puts the build date as 1904....But this is where It gets a little sketchy for me.... Just in front of the ejection port, It has a "US" Stamp over the flaming bomb ordinance stamp... It has the grove under the barrel for the Heat Shield / bayonet mount.....And that's it. Nothing else.

    Now,.. I will tell you I have owned a few later M-97's in the past... But the ordinance stamps were on the left side of the receiver, very low and near the rear of the receiver. But I'm not at all sure of the correct stamping for a "trench Gun" with a manufacture date of 1904... So, I need your help. Anybody know for sure what to look for as far as stamping is concerned ?..... Cause I'm pretty stumped on this one. (I've never been a student of these firearms)

    Thanks in advance for any light you can shed on this subject !
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    don't know about the particulars of IDing a military trench gun, but I will tell you for a barreled receiver it's not worth very much, no matter if you find that it's legit, it's simply wouldn't be worth more then a 100 bucks IMO.
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    Anybody ?..... Somebody must have information on Pre-WWI M-97 Trench Guns ??

    Here are the markings on the receiver,
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    Last edited by Harms Way; 11-18-2018 at 12:01 AM.
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    See Canfield, collector's notes Pg. 42, "A Collector's Guide to United States Combat Shotguns". The serial number should be under 700,000. The US and Ordnance bomb marking on the right side of the receiver is correct. Only about 25,000 M1897s were produced for the US government during and prior to WW1. A complete, original example is really rare today. M1897s produced as riot guns will not have the three notches under the forward part of the barrel for the mounting screws of the bayonet lug/heat shield. Those produced as trench guns will.

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    Hell of a find. The ordnance stamp seems to be in the right place and even patina. The heat shield screw slots are a plus.


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    I ended up getting it at a "really good price",.... Now it's time to start collecting up parts for this old girl. Thanks for your input guys !
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    Harms Way. I have a Winchester M97 12 gauge Riot Gun. It is a take down gun and has a 20” barrel with a cylinder choke. Made in the 1940-41 time frame. It was sold by the Ohio State Adjutant General’s Office as excess military equipment; and had been loaned to the Ohio State Prison System. The stories I bet it could tell!

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    I traded a run of the mill Springfield Armory, Incorporated M1A for it.

    I think I got the bestie end of the deal!
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