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    ct legal ar

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    i guess these have been out for over a year, maybe more. gave a friend a ride to newington gun exchange so he could pick up a special order. i just happened to spot a rack of these.

    this one in particular is from troy. it must be well kept secret, i can't find them on their website.

    from what i'm told its classified as an other. not a any other weapon. why? because overall length, over 26".
    not a rifle, because it doesn't have a shoulder stock, just an arm brace. not a handgun, because barrel is over 12"
    plus the fore grip seals the deal.

    not sure if its true or not, but its suppose to be 50 state legal. and also legal legal to carry concealed...?

    won't be testing that theory.

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    "other" doesn't sound right to me.
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    guess they couldn't think of anything else to call it. but that seems to be accepted term.
    they often refer to the mossberg shockwave as an other.

    https://www.mossberg.com/wp-content/...ATF-3-2-17.pdf

    i guess this more an industry term than a federal classification. reading through that letter they don't mention other. however it is stamped into the lower.

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    I don't think the definition of a rifle requires a shoulder stock, just a 16" barrel and overall length of 26".

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    but if it had a shoulder stock, it would be considered a semi auto rifle w/ a pistol grip and detachable mag. which would be illegal in my state, and therefore would have saved me about a grand.

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    Would it not be a SBR with that VFG regardless of lengths or stock/brace?

    what is the bbl length? and what is marked on the LR as to rifle/pistol/multi/other?
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    it is marked on the lower as "other". the barrel length is 16", but they did have ones that were shorter. has to be over 12" to keep it out of the pistol category. the fore grip also must help keep it away from the pistol classification. all the ones that were on the rack, all had fore grips.

    and again, no shoulder stock. keeping it out of the rifle category. {also over 26" in total length, keeping it from being an aow}

    so yes, this the ultimate loophole on fire weapon. probably why i bought it....its just going to take one idiot to screw this up too.

    maybe that's why its not talked about a lot.

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    so....in all considerations it is a rifle without a stock...because like the Mossberg and the Remington SB "Others" it is classified as other because it meets certain length considerations and bbl length and overall length

    im not sure of the advantage here over say a M4 or other carbine configuration except to beat a states ban on the Evil Black gun

    hmmm.....??
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    advantages; none. practicality; none. accuracy at a 100 yards as is; minute of pie plate. maybe good as a short range zombie slayer.

    but like you said, if you want a way around the awb in this state, that's one way to do it, and stay legal.

    when i have time, i've got a few idea's to help improve its function and accuracy, and stay within the law.

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    The Law still get you one way or the other the ergonomics isn't practical accuracy would also be bad

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