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    2020 Election and Gun Control

    I have not forgotten the 3 gun scares/panics we had under Obama. Shelves empty, no parts available, magazines hard to find, etc. The first was when he
    was elected. Compared to extreme anti-gun socialist agendas of almost all of the Democrat candidates running for 2020 Presidential election they almost make
    Obama seem like a Moderate. At the minimum their position is to restating the AWB, but almost all want to go far beyond that.

    I can not predict the future, but the saying goes - History does not repeat itself, but it often rhymes. I am not sure the gun community is as
    prepared to stick up for itself as in the past. NRA seems to be in disarray. It and the gun manufactures are public enemy No. 1 to the Democratic
    left, which appears to be calling the shots in that party.

    Anyway things could get interesting when the primary season is over and we (as a country) start preparing for 2020 general election. I have several
    uncompleted builds that I put aside after the 2016 election. Parts are available and cheap, so plan on getting them finished in coming months.

    BTW Trump's administration pressure on BATF to completely reverse itself on the legality of bump stocks, without any changes in the law by Congress
    and succeeding is worry some for the future. Seems him winning reelection in 2020 would be our best bet, but after what he pulled I do not totally
    trust him. On the other hand if the Dems win and load up the government agencies with far left heads I feel the will be hell to pay in the Gun
    World. There are several ways they can go at gun control even without congress and none are pretty. Do not depend on the courts to protect us.

    Any thoughts on this???
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    I'm not overly worried about 2020 at this point. Its 2024 we need to be concerned about. If presidential elections stay true to form the liberals are pretty much a shoo in. Only once in the past 50 years, that I can remember, has either party held on to the White House for more than 8 years.
    Right now I'm more concerned with what's happening at the state level. California's ammo background check law as an example. Things like this will be a big influence on what happens at the federal level after the next regime change.
    Last edited by Has Been; 07-10-2019 at 02:07 PM.

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    I tend to agree with the above at this point. I'm not worried about 2020 as I believe Trump will easily retain his Presidency in the next election. 2024 is most likely going to be the problem.
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    I wish I had your confidence Trump will win in 2020. He might, but pretty sure he is not a shoe-in.
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    According to a pew research center survey taken in 2017 68% of American adults supported an assault weapons ban. This includes: 48% of gun owners, 77% of non gun owners, 35% of Republicans and 66% of dems. We're catching it from all sides, including our own.
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    You guys better absolutely worry about 2020. At the state level especially. A state legislature and Governor can do as much damage to the RKBA as Congress and the President. Even at the federal level if the dems maintain the house and manage to get the senate then all it would take is one "incident" and I have no illusions El Presidente would sign a 94 style ban, and I doubt they'd have the grace this time to give us a sunset.

    beyond 2020 there is no doubt that it will happen, it's just a matter of time. We are darn sure headed for one party rule within the next 20 years if something major doesn't change and it's not going to be fun to have traditional values in any way, shape, or form.
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    not totally convinced that trumpy will waltz in in 2020..... but my job/work is sure looking more solid with him in there.

    i dont know anyone in the construction biz who isnt gonna vote for him. all of the overlords(afl-cio, internationals, union heads) told us not to last time... but the rank & file members did anyway. as long as he keeps the economy moving? he'll get the construction/blue collar vote.

    2024? oooh thats a tough one.

    dont see the senate going back to blue in 2020.... im not real sure they can even hold the house with how they are going & infighting right now. they have no real platform & socialism wont fly here.

    as to the hobby & gun control? we will survive just like we always have. was dead set against the 94 AWB, in reality? it did NOTHING except drive up the prices. ZERO effectiveness. the new laws wont be any different.

    hide behind a piece of paper & tell me how much protection it gives you or how many "attacks" it actually stops. the answer is still gonna be ZERO. same as how many gun owners it will really deter.

    It will make the side biz i work for much more difficult (TEC Tactical) to operate in.... but thats really about it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Arkane View Post
    ..................... I have no illusions El Presidente would sign a 94 style ban, and I doubt they'd have the grace this time to give us a sunset.......................
    As far as I'm concerned, it would "sunset" the moment it was signed!

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    Quote Originally Posted by specops56 View Post
    As far as I'm concerned, it would "sunset" the moment it was signed!

    Terry
    Yeah, I concur, and the significant non-compliance in some of the more draconian states is actually encouraging. However what we face is nothing short of a war on our inalienable rights in regards to firearms. People scoff at the concept that it is a war, but there are a lot of different types of war, and what we are in is a soft war and we are losing that war because frankly we sucks at fighting it. The NRA is is shambles, many people have never even heard of the GoA or JPFO, and the mis/dis-informaiotn being put out there is front page news in every form of media but anything we would consider positive (i.e. Mother shoots violent home invader) gets a byline or not covered at all.

    We're losing this war at every level possible. Federal, state, and local in many cases. Think about this: for one of the first times in history one major party (which is likely destined to become the majority party in the near future) has a field pf presidential candidates that almost to the man and woman vigorously endorse some type of ban if not outright confiscations. And their base is screaming for them to move further.

    We've got to start getting off of our butts and engaging at every opportunity we can. If we sit back and let an organization like the ones I cited above fight for our rights then we're toast. They do their jobs and have their place, but this is an all in fight, and nobody should sit it out. It's not just enough to take and try and convert a liberal with you every time you go shooting. No, we have to form the narrative, control it, and defend it. And if we have to fight dirty using an adapted version of the rules for radicals well, in the end what we're fighting for is a huge part of our national identity. I think that is worth getting dirty for.

    It's easy for people to say certain legislation has little to no impact on them. Fudds do it all the time. Now ask the Fudds in New Mexico how they feel since they now have to pay for any transfer due to the new 'universal background check" law (Wally world just quit selling firearms in NM because it cannot comply with the law by doing 3rd party transfers without a major retooling of it's retail inventory software). Ask the Fudds in NorCal how they feel about the ammo laws. Each one of those erosions of liberty is a paver, and somewhere down that path is a paver that is going to impact everybody, I guarantee it.

    The price of freedom is vigilance, and if we fail to maintain vigilance we have failed to maintain freedom.
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    i worry about next week....then next month....and so on

    Cali really worries me with what they do next that will influence others
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